Obama Birth: Pot Still Boiling, Not On Front Burner Yet…

We have written before (here, here, and here) about the controversy surrounding the place and circumstances of Barack Obama’s birth. The struggle to determine Barack Obama’s eligibility is taking place on several fronts, mostly legal. As to his fitness in the national security sense read more here….

To be sure there are plenty of legal scholars advising that this will never gain traction in the courts and is a waste of time. However the battle is not over and the pot is still boiling. The most complete, and most level headed, discussion of these issues can be found at America’s Right blog written by Jeff Schreiber, a law student and legal writer. (be sure to read his articles and his sidebar index of links)

Recent developments can be followed at Hillary and Me blog where we find a new approach by forensic psychologist Dr. T.B. Bradley. He alleges fraud by Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, in that she falsely claimed Hawaii as the place of birth for Obama and his sister Maya Soetero.

….Obama’s Mother engaged in a pattern of illegal and fraudulent conduct as
a result of both of her two children’s birth outside of the United States: (1) Obama, Jr. born in Kenya Africa and (2) Maya
Soetoro born in Jakarta Indonesia, but the mother, a US Citizen, raced to Hawaii after each of her children’s birth where
she engaged in fraudulent conduct upon the United States by declaring a late registration birth for both children claiming
that they were born in Hawaii.

In addition to the Phillip Berg and Andy Martin investigations there is the suit now before the U.S. Supreme Court brought by New Jersey resident Leo Donofrio. His suit hangs on the thread that New Jersey’s Secretary of State illegally certified the eligibility of Obama’s candidacy.

….Leo Donofrio, a retired attorney acting Pro Se, sued Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey, in the Superior Court of New Jersey, Appellate Division, demanding the Secretary execute her statutory and Constitutional duties to police the security of ballots in New Jersey from fraudulent candidates ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States due to their not being “natural born citizens” as enumerated in Article 1, Section 2, of the US Constitution.

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12 Responses to “Obama Birth: Pot Still Boiling, Not On Front Burner Yet…”

  1. smrstrauss Says:

    Baloney!

    If Obama had been born in Kenya, there would be a record of his mother arriving in Kenya in the archives of the Kenya government.

    The critics of Obama, who allege that he was born in Kenya, have not shown anything like this. All they would have to do is to go to those files in Kenya and show that Obama’s mother had been in Kenya in 1961. But they have nothing.

    I listened to the tape, and it is not clear that Obama’s grandmother understood the question. The translator (who is also apparently a relative) says repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii. In any case, it is not evidence. She could be referring to Barak Obama senior, Obama’s father, who certainly was born in Kenya.

    The officials in Hawaii say he was born in Hawaii. They have seen his birth certificate in his file.

    It was expensive to travel from Hawaii to Kenya in those days, so it is unlikely that the Obama family did it. It is particularly unlikely that they did it before the birth, when Obama’s mother was pregnant. It is difficult to travel when you are pregnant (and in those days the planes were not as good as today), and there is and remains a statistical chance of stillbirth. Yet you say that somehow they raised the money and although they could have traveled after the birth, when it was safe, and when there was a child to show the grandparents, you say that they traveled before the birth. Well, what is the evidence?

    Don’t say the statement of the Obama’s Kenyan grandmother. I listened to that tape and it is not clear that she understood the question. It is not documentary evidence in any case.

  2. bluto Says:

    smrstrauss:

    I am withholding judgment on this matter until the truth comes out, one way or the other. You have, however, misplaced the burden of proof on the citizens of this country. It should not be our burden to prove that Mr. Obama is withholding the truth; rather, it should be Mr. Obama’s responsibility to produce the necessary documents proving he meets the Constitutional qualifications. After all, Mr. Obama is the job seeker; we are the employer.

  3. steadyjohn Says:

    smrstrauss: I believe the Kenyan authorities have sealed all pertinent records. Dr Corsi was ejected from the country for seeking documentation. I do not necessarily believe that Obama Jr. was born in Kenya. But, and this is a big but, he is hiding something about the circumstances of his birth and paternity. It’s time for him to come clean and order the release of the long form birth certificate in the Hawaii vaults. Then, all of this controversy can be laid to rest.

    bluto: I agree with you. The American public is entitled to all information relating to a presidential candidates eligibility and qualifications. Even a applicant for a security guard job is more closely vetted than was Senator Obama.

  4. ahrcanum Says:

    You wrote “To be sure there are plenty of legal scholars advising that this will never gain traction in the courts and is a waste of time.”
    Legal scholars like at The Liberty Paper blogs have now closed comments regarding Berg v Obama in an apparent effort to hide the reflection of some “Tin Foil” wearing Americans who seek only the truth through justice. I thought debate helped make this country great.

    http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/obamas-lawyers-and-law-battles-for-birth-certificate-and-eligibility/

  5. smrstrauss Says:

    Re: You have, however, misplaced the burden of proof on the citizens of this country. It should not be our burden to prove that Mr. Obama is withholding the truth; rather, it should be Mr. Obama’s responsibility to produce the necessary documents proving he meets the Constitutional qualifications. After all, Mr. Obama is the job seeker; we are the employer.

    Well, let’s see. Back on Nov. 4, we decided that he would be the best of the two candidates for the job, and so we have hired him.

    I take it that you still hold that there should be some other proof, that our electing him was not enough. But it could be argued that it was a matter of public record that his father was from Kenya, and we all knew it, and for that reason and because of his time in Indonesia, he had dual nationality (which he has never denied). And so, since we elected him anyway, we — the highest judges of all in this country –must have thought these were not issues.

    But I take it that you STILL think that there is an issue, that you believe that the election by the American people is not good enough, and that Obama should prove that he is a natural born citizen.

    The answer is why? Have we made any president prove that he was a citizen before? Did we demand the birth certificates of George Washington, Polk, Harding, Hoover, JFK, LBJ, FDR or Teddy Roosevelt? Or any of the candidates who ran against them?

    So you are saying that this is a special case, different from other elections. Okay. If so, the burden is on you to show why, and that means the opponents of Obama have to come up with evidence showing that there is a reason why we need to see his birth certificate. And that evidence could be something that shows that he was born outside of the USA.

    Yes, the burden of proof is always on the plaintiffs, not the defendants.

  6. Aristotle the Hun Says:

    RE: smrstrauss:

    First, this guy spams the comments sections of many blogs. However if I left it there I would just be doing somerthing I don like; making a false ad hominem argument.

    So beyond being a jerk Paul Strauss (his real name) doesn’t know what he is talking about. He says the video of Obma’s grandmother isn’t clear enough. Well how about this?

    Obama born in Kenya – AFFIDAVIT OF REVEREND KWELI SHUHUBIA

    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
    PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE
    :
    :Plaintiff
    :
    vs.
    :CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083
    :
    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL
    Defendants
    AFFIDAVIT OF REVEREND KWELI SHUHUBIA
    I, Kweli Shuhubia am over the age of eighteen (18) and not a party to the within
    action. If called to do so, I could and would competently testify under oath as follows
    I am an ordained minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ and a native evangelist and
    translator for the Anabaptist churches in Kenya. I am the official Swahili translator for the annual Anabaptists Conference held each year in Africa, working with the American bishops sitting upon the Continental Presbytery of the Anabaptists Churches of Africa. I am fluent in Swahili and in English. I am a former teacher in Kenya, and travel extensively in the ministries of the Anabaptists Churches of Africa throughout Kenya, Uganda and the Sudan.
    It is common knowledge throughout the Christian and Muslim communities in
    Kenya that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the United States Presidential candidate, was
    born in Mombosa Kenya. Senator Obama’s grandmother still resides in the village of
    Alego-Kogello, approximately 37 miles from Kisumu City. On October 16, 2008 I went to interview Ms. Sarah Obama at her home. Ms. Obama’s home was flooded with people who were celebrating Senator Obama’s success story. Ms. Obama’s home was heavily guarded by Kenya Police. Prior to the interview with Ms. Obama, I took pictures of Ms. Obama, her grandson who was present and other family members. During my interview of Sarah Obama; I called Bishop Ron McRae in the United States from my mobile number. I advised Bishop McRae that I was present with Ms. Obama in her home, and wished for him to speak with her. Bishop McRae informed me he would call me right back, to avoid the international costs on my personal mobile phone. Bishop McRae subsequently called me back; Bishop McRae requested permission to electronically record his telephone conversations with Ms. Obama, to which I agreed. Due to bad telephone connections Bishop McRae had to call me back three [3] times, before we were able to continue our conversation.
    The telephone interview conducted by Bishop McRae was conducted on loud speaker (speaker phone). During the interview conversation, one of Ms. Obama’s grandsons’s and myself acted as Swahili translators, and as Bishop McRae talked to and questioned Ms. Obama, we would translate what Bishop McRae said to Ms. Obama in Swahili, and then we would translate her Swahili responses to Bishop McRae in English. Ms. Obama can fluently speak Swahili in her native dialect, but cannot read or write. Bishop McRae asked Ms. Obama specifically, “Were you present when your grandson Barack Obama was born in Kenya?” This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she specifically replied, “Yes”. It appeared Ms. Obama’s relatives and her grandson, handling the translating,, had obviously been versed to counter such facts with the purported information from the American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii. Despite this, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama was very adamant that her grandson, Senator Barack Hussein Obama, was born in Kenya, and that she was present and witnessed his birth in Kenya, not the United States. When Ms. Obama’s grandson attempted to counter his grandmother’s clear responses to the question, verifying the birth of Senator Obama in Kenya, Bishop McRae asked her grandson, how she could be present at Barack Obama’s birth if the Senator was born in Hawaii, but the grandson would not answer the question, instead he repeatedly tried to insert that, “No, No, No. He was born in the United States!” But during the conversation, Ms. Sarah Hussein Obama never changed her reply that she was in deed present when Senator Barack Obama was born in Kenya. A copy of the Tape transcript is attached hereto as EXHIBIT “A”.
    I left Kisumu City and traveled to Mombosa, Kenya. I interviewed personnel at
    the hospital in which Senator Obama was born in Kenya. I then had meetings with the
    Provincial Civil Registrar. I learned there were records of Ann Dunham giving birth to Barack Hussein Obama, III in Mombosa, Kenya on August 4, 1961. I spoke directly with an Official, the Principal Registrar, who openly confirmed the birthing records of Senator Barack H. Obama, Jr. and his mother were present, however, the file on Barack H. Obama, Jr. was classified and profiled. The Official explained Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. birth in Kenya is top secret. I was further instructed to go to the Attorney General’s Office and to the Minister in Charge of Immigration if I wanted further information The above related facts are true and verifiable to the best of my personal knowledge before God Almighty, whose I am and whom I serve.
    Kweli Shuhubia
    10 30 2008
    I declare under the penalty of perjury of the laws of the United States, that the foregoing is true and correct.
    Dated: October 30, 2008
    Kweli Shuhubia
    John 3:30/
    Philippians 3:19-21, 29, 30

    http://tinyurl.com/US-COURT-DOCUMENT

  7. steadyjohn Says:

    Dear Arie the Hun!

    Normally I wold not allow such a lengthy comment. Because this issue is so important I have made an exception. Mr Strauss has always commented fairly here and, when time permits, I have replied to him. I would not consider his comments spam. To be sure, there are extremely important constitutional issues that need to be addressed; i.e. the Berg filings mentioned by you , possibly the Andy Martin stuff, and, most importantly, the Leo Donofrio suit.

  8. Aristotle the Hun Says:

    Thanks, Steady John. My gripe with Mr. Strauss is that he posts his cut and past jobs repeatedly on my blog. One is welcom. Twice is spam. I have deleted his comments and he is no longer welcome.

    Now, on to more important things.

    Donofrio v Obama Citizenship Case Moves To New Supreme Court Level

    By Devvy Kidd

    11-19-8

    Leo Donofrio’s case submitted to the U.S. Supreme Court reagrding Obama’s citizenship has reached a new level: the case has been “distributed for conference.”

    On December 5, 2008, only ten days before the electoral college votes, the nine Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court will meet in private to discuss this case identified as:

    Leo C. Donofrio, v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey
    United States Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407

    Leo informed me earlier today via telephone about this historic event and wanted to thank everyone who sent their letters to Justice Clarence Thomas.

    This is the link to the Supreme Court showing the docket and action:

    http://origin.www.supremecourtus.gov/docket/08a407.htm

    This docketing today by the court for this next step should send ripples of fear through the Obama camp. Obama has been proceeding at lighenting speed to put together a cabinet and take possession of the White House with the hope that he won’t have to answer the question of whether or not he was “at birth” a “natural born citizen.”

    Every major news network, print and cable news like FOX, CNN and MSNBC, have ignored all the court cases challenging Obama’s eligibility as sore losers or conspiracy theories. It might be in their best interest at this point to report this critically important meeting to take place on December 5, 2008, or lose what little credibility they have left.

    http://www.rense.com/general84/scotus.htm

  9. steadyjohn Says:

    Thanks again Arie!

  10. Aristotle the Hun Says:

    Steadyjohn,

    Please use anything you want from my blog. We seem to be on the same page. here is my latest post:

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/11/alan-keyes-lawsuit-to-stop-certifying.html

  11. Krystal Bell Says:

    This whole case sounds very mysterious to me,I’ll have to learn about all the details of it,and then put two and two together before trying to solve it.Thanks for all the information about “A Foreign Birth”,that is what I will name this case.If this case goes to the highest court of the land I pray that the judgement rendered will be a fair and just.

    By the way steadyjohn your profile pic is very macho.However more Texas style than Latin macho.

  12. smrstrauss Says:

    Just in case anyone did not hear the news:

    Supreme Court Declines to Hear Obama Nationality Case
    By Robert Barnes
    Washington Post, Dec, 8

    The Supreme Court this morning unceremoniously declined to hear an emergency appeal from a man who claimed President-elect Barack Obama is not qualified for the presidency because he is not a “natural-born” citizen.

    The court without comment declined to hear “Donofrio v. Wells,” a suit that had attempted to keep Obama off the New Jersey ballot. Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick had claimed Obama had dual nationality at birth, because of his Kansas-born mother and his Kenyan-born father, who was a British subject at the time.

    Just to be nonpartisan about it, Donofrio also contended that Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero also were not natural-born citizens and should have been kept off the ballot.

    The case had little chance at the high court, but became the subject of a tremendous amount of speculation and debate on ideological political blogs.

    Right-wing blogs were outraged when Justice David H. Souter denied Donofrio’s petition for an injunction, and left-wing blogs smelled trouble when Justice Clarence Thomas referred the matter to the full court for consideration.

    In fact, both were routine procedures, as the court’s action today shows. There were no recorded dissents to the decision dismissing the case.

    End Quote

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